PTVnet: Series2 DirecTV DVR Networking with preconfigured PTVnet kits

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PTVnet: Series2 DirecTV DVR Networking with preconfigured PTVnet kits

For those of you interested in networking your Series2 DirecTV units, we've finally got a product for you. If you already know what we are talking about or you just want to go right to the product page for ordering, just go here.

The basic idea is this:

  • replace the drive or drives in your TiVo with a newer and bigger one
  • plug in a USB 2.0 Ethernet adapter
  • boot your TiVo and it comes up on the network with a DHCP IP address
  • do cool things

So, what do we mean by cool things? Well, first and foremost, your unit will now have an IP address on your home network. And yes, folks, that means you have to have a home network. If you don't know what that is already, there's not much we can do to help you here - go get yourself a Linksys router, or something comparable, and build yourself a network. Turn on DHCP (at least temporarily) and then you'll be ready to get your TiVo up and running in a way that your computer can talk to it.

You'll also need a compatible USB 2.0 Ethernet adapter. Examples are, the Netgear FA120 which is hard to find now, but after December 22nd, 2006 we now have updated drivers supporting the Linksys USB200M and the Trendnet TU2-ET100 available here.

 

For those interested in wireless connectivity, use of a bridging device or gaming adapter may also be added, such as the Buffalo 802.11G converter.

So what have we installed that can make your unit more useful to you? Well, here is a start:

[list]
[*]TiVoWebPlus 1.3.1
[*]telnet/ftp
[*]Busybox Linux Utils
[*]Other miscelleneous and useful tools
[/list]

TiVoWebPlus 1.3.1

TiVoWeb is a killer-app for your TiVo. Once your TiVo is up and running on your network, TiVoWeb is most likely to be your primary interface into your TiVo from any other location than in front of your TiVo. And most importantly, you can access TiVoWeb and interact with your TiVo when someone else is already in front of your TV. What can you do with TiVoWeb? Well, pretty much anything you can do with a remote, and a whole lot more. Just a few of the features include the ability to schedule recordings, browse, sort, mass delete, and edit descriptions of the content listed in your "Now Playing" list, schedule and reprioritize season passes, send messages, drive your TiVo with a spitting image of the TiVo remote control on your screen, and the list goes on and on and on. Even more interesting is that there are a variety of TiVoWeb modules that have been developed by other folks that can also be installed and used through the web interface.

TiVoWeb and TiVoWebPlus are not products we've developed at PTVupgrade. They are free software packages released under the GPL, and we've incorporated them, made a few customizations, and also added a few popular modules that we think folks will find useful.

Here is a link to the TiVoWebPlus home page where you can find some technical details about TiVoWebPlus and TiVoWeb. If you want to see some screen shots of TiVoWebPlus, check out this link.

telnet and ftp

The cornerstones of networked computers are telnet and ftp. If you don't know what these are, then you probably don't need to. In short, telnet will allow you to remotely access your TiVo because it really is a Linux computer. The shell you will have access to is called BASH. FTP is a simple application for allowing you to move files to/from your TiVo. These are standard UNIX/Linux utilities and you can use google to find out more about them.

BusyBox

BusyBox is a toolkit of Linux utilities that have been "ported" to run on your TiVo DVR. For those that are into the whole UNIX/Linux thing, and want to remotely access their TiVo and do geeky things, BusyBox provides a whole bunch of neat tools, most of which will work on your TiVo. Here is a link to the BusyBox web site.

Other Useful Tools

We've included some other popular little goodies, all of which live in the /ptvupgrade directory.

RoadMap

Having a networked TiVo is a wonderful thing. Many many more things coming, but let's crawl before we walk. We'll be offering a variety of downloadable utilities you'll be able to easily install and configure on your networked unit. We'll also offer remote installation services, as we currently do for Series1 units networked with TurboNet and CacheCard. Stay tuned for more details and surprises.

A Note to our Followers

Although many of the software products we distribute are not developed by us, they are freely available and we redistribute these tools in accordance with the terms under which they are licensed. We appreciate the efforts of the many folks who have taken time to create useful tools for modifying your TiVo, and made contributions to the TiVo upgrade community.

With that said: installing, integrating and configuring these tools is no small matter - we feel we provide a valuable service to our customers and those not technical or too busy to pursue these endeavors on their own. We recognized the value of such services over six years ago when DVRupgrade was founded, and we believe that today, more than ever, people want a service such as ours.

mrmike said:Okay, I'll bite

mrmike said:

Okay, I'll bite:

First major question that I'm sure many folks want to know...

... Will you offer an "InstantCake"-like .iso download offering of this product?

I'm sure you can imagine there is a sizeable crowd of us who would prefer to do it all ourselves, but the current available processes available around the net are outdated and a real pain-in-the-posterior...

Many thanks,

MrMike



The topic and first post of the thread specifically addresses the specifics of the PTVnet offering that we are rolling out in the next several weeks. It is not intended to be bait for a discussion of what we haven't announced, or don't intend to do.

Our announcements certainly don't prevent folks from doing-it-all themselves, however the current product offering is intended to be interesting to those who either can't or don't want to.

The specific answer to your question is,
"Wrong question, wrong place, wrong time..." :)

Please let's please keep this thread on topic and not use it as a means to discuss our future (and confidential) plans...

Thx.

Pioneer DVD-R units

Pioneer DVD-R units?


tivoupgrade said:

For those of you interested in networking your Series2 DirecTV units, we've finally got a product for you.



Cool. Will this work with the Pioneer DVD-R Series units? I seem to recall that their kernel is a bit different from other Series 2 units, supporting the larger hard drives (as well as the DVD-R units, of course).

Babasyzygy said:Cool. Will

Babasyzygy said:

Cool. Will this work with the Pioneer DVD-R Series units? I seem to recall that their kernel is a bit different from other Series 2 units, supporting the larger hard drives (as well as the DVD-R units, of course).



Currently, PTVnet is announced for Series2 DirecTV products. At the bottom of this page is a list of the supported units (all DirecTV Series2 systems).

What about wireless?This is

What about wireless?

This is GREAT news!

What about wireless? Will this initial kit support wireless adapters? If not, what's the estimated time frame for wireless support?

TIA,
Stan :)

4sfed said:This is GREAT news

4sfed said:

This is GREAT news!

What about wireless? Will this initial kit support wireless adapters? If not, what's the estimated time frame for wireless support?

TIA,
Stan :)



"standard" wireless bridges (802.11G and 802.11B should work fine, along with the USB Ethernet adapter). We haven't tested them yet, and we will make them available once we have.

tivoupgrade said:"standard"

tivoupgrade said:

"standard" wireless bridges (802.11G and 802.11B should work fine, along with the USB Ethernet adapter). We haven't tested them yet, and we will make them available once we have.



FYI - we've just verified that the Linksys WGA54G works fine (we've configured and tested one using WEP) and we are adding it to the web site right now)

dwx said:Am I

dwx said:

Am I misunderstanding the question? I've already got a 2nd drive that I've bought from PTVupgrade, and I'd like any replacement that I purchase for a primary drive to automatically fix (or reformat) the secondary one so it works.

Isn't that the function of your instantCake product? If getting the PTVnet disk requires that we also buy instantCake to fix our old disks manually, then I think you've made a mistake.

-dwx



I think you are misunderstanding the topic of this thread. If it continues to drift in the direction of InstantCake, I will need to prune it, in order to keep it on-track.

The topic here is PTVnet - folks, please read the first post. It has NOTHING to do with InstantCake.

dwx said:OK, I'll be more

dwx said:

OK, I'll be more specific. Does the PTVnet product have capabilities similar to your instantCake product? What I'm asking here is if a previously purchased (and currently in use) secondary drive from you will automatically be "fixed" or cleaned up when the PTVnet drive in installed as the primary drive?

I know that with a stock TiVo primary that this will NOT work and I'd either need to get a new drive from you or the instantCake product to fix the drive that I have. What I want to know is if PTVnet is smarter about secondary drives than the stock TiVo software and if can buy your new product without breaking the old one that I bought from you.

It's a reasonable question, and it's about the PTVnet product, so please stop slapping me for asking.

-dwx



None of our replacement drive kits can do anything with the drives that are previously in your system. A replacement drive kit is designed such that you remove the drive(s) currently in your unit, and replace it/them with the new kit. This has not changed with PTVnet or any of our other replacement drive kits.

To clarify further... PTVnet is a group products, we prefer the term "architecture" however most will want to relate that to a specific product or products. So in this case, the PTVnet products we are talking about are replacement drive kits with PTVnet installed on them. InstantCake is completely different. InstantCake is an inexpensive, DIY tool which builds a basic replacement drive kit from a CD distribution. We have not announced any InstantCake products with support for PTVnet. And at the risk of sounding repetitious, this thread is not about InstantCake. If people have InstantCake questions, they can certainly be asked in other areas of the forum, however we are not going to answer any specific questions about "plans for the future" as it is not appropriate.


dwx:

You were not being slapped, and your question was not unreasonable; again, attempting to keep the thread on-topic, and will continue to do so...

dwx said:This may be a silly

dwx said:

This may be a silly question, but does the PTVnet product contain TiVo's HMO code?

-dwx



No. HMO is for standalone units only.

krikket said:Does this

krikket said:

Does this product also remove the encryption. allowing us to view the shows on a networked PC?



No, it does not.

gc2350 said:Hi,Would this

gc2350 said:

Hi,

Would this allow me to disconnect the phone line and do all the daily calls and guide update using the bradband connection ?

Thanks,

George



Daily calls can be supressed via PTVshield (the daily call is no longer fundamentally necessary because the validity of your subscription is now established via the status of your subscription with DirecTV). Guide updates always have occured via satellite, not the daily call.

krikket said:Given that you

krikket said:

Given that you are including TiVoWeb / TiVoWeb Plus, and the documentation (FAQ) you link to talks about streaming video to other computers on your network, am I correct in assuming that this functionality is included? (The documentation is a little unclear if TyShow needs to be installed seperately for this to work.)

Assuming it does work, can you view streaming media with a non-windows OS? (The documentation talks about running MS Media Player -- not exactly an option for those of us in the Linux world. (Don't know about Mac...))



Please take a look at the first post in this thread - the details of the recently announced PTVnet offering are there; it does not include streaming video.

dwx said:Another silly

dwx said:

Another silly question: Will TiVo let me order the HMO directly from them once I get my DirecTiVo attached to the network? I know it's a free option for standalone TiVo's already...

-dwx



HMO is for standalone units only. "standalone" means not-DirecTiVo. The answer is "no."

mbobak said:Any word on HR10

mbobak said:

Any word on HR10-250?



Not supported under PTVnet (please see previous posts in this very thread on that topic).

Folks, I've been diligently responding to your questions, but I'm not going to continue to answer the same ones over and over again. Please read the entire thread before posting your questions. We'll eventually have a FAQ put together, but for the most part, every one of these questions is addressed in the very first post here. The announcement does acknowledge the desire for additional products and support beyond the initial release, however there is simply no way to do everything all at once.

We are finalizing development

We are finalizing development on PTVnet for DirecTV Series2 units and are on track to begin shipping on Monday, December 6th. Please stay tuned for more details.

When will PTVnet be made for

When will PTVnet be made for the 24004a?

I am eager to see a version that....
will take a backup of my 24004a drive (that would be ver 4)
put it onto a new drive (bigger) WITH all the bells and whistles.

I hope this comes soon!

tivobeagle said:First, let me

tivobeagle said:

First, let me commend you for providing an option to the hobbyist approach. I may be squarely in your target market. I have read through several of the guides available in the forums for hacking my TIVO. I have the basic skills and equipment to follow the guides but I do not have the time or the energy. Linux is a bit of a barrier, not that there is anything wrong with it. It's just that there are already enough operating systems and programming languages swimming around in my foggy old brain. You provide what looks like a great starting point.

That's the good part. My reservations are really about what is next. I suspect I am not alone in my desire to save DirecTIVO programs to the PC environment. Understandably, this is not what you are offering. The cool reception this product has received over on the DD forum suggests it may be difficult to get any help with further hacks using PTVnet as the starting point. Sort of like telling your ISP you have a router.

So again I am on the sideline anxiously awaiting the comments from the early adopters (and deciding how to explain to my wife why I am taking her beloved TIVO apart!)

Thanks.



DDB has not received the product coolly; only a one or two very vocal skeptics who are concerned about the potential innappropriate redistribution of their software [in spite of a few nasty comments made, we are not innappropriately redistributing DDB members' contributions - only GPL'ed software and code we've written ourselves is part of PTVnet].

PTVnet gives you a TiVo with telnet and ftp access. In that sense, your system will be no different than any other hacked by someone with the low-level skills of your typical DDB participant.

The point of PTVnet is to provide a platform for developers and enthusiasts alike. While keeping our noses relatively clean when it comes to unsavory modifications of units (especially in a public forum), there are many other benefits to this, as it is a gateway to innovation.

Although you might consider yourself an 'early adopter' at this stage, you might very well not be if you embraced PTVnet -- we've been offering networked products for almost 3 years on the Series1 TiVo systems. Once these systems are on your network, they can be treated very similarly in many respects. Thanks for your interest.

Mention on PVRblogBTW, we got

Mention on PVRblog

BTW, we got a nice mention on PVRblog. Full review (hopefully) coming soon...

here is the link

Will the PTVnet allow me to

Will the PTVnet allow me to watch a program that is on one TiVo, on another networked TiVo? I didn't see it listed and I would need this feature to make it worth the money for me to replace my existing upgraded drive.

aaronwt said:Will the PTVnet

aaronwt said:

Will the PTVnet allow me to watch a program that is on one TiVo, on another networked TiVo? I didn't see it listed and I would need this feature to make it worth the money for me to replace my existing upgraded drive.



No, it does not. We have addressed that question several times in this thread. That is a feature we are currently not offering. Should you decide to go the DIY route, you are certainly free to do so, but we do not feel it is appropriate to offer this capability at this time.

treyco said:So can you ftp a

treyco said:

So can you ftp a movie from DT A to DT B and watch it on DT B?



No. FTP is provided as a tool for transferring files, such as programs and scripts, used for extending the capability of your TiVo, back and forth between your PC and your TiVo. Video is not stored in the form of files that can be transferred with FTP, and it is not within the scope of PTVnet to provide that facility.

UpgradesI'm new to this and

Upgrades

I'm new to this and have a couple of questions. I currently own a Hughes SDDVR40. I understand that you have a drive available based on the current Hughes operating code. If Hughes comes out with an upgrade to the software that may change what you have supplied will you have instructions on how to preserve your software mods and merge this with the new Hughes software. I know at this point you cannot foresee what they may do but is this your basic idea?

My other question is much easier. If I wanted to install my old harddrive back in the unit will I run in to any problems? Just in case something goes wrong with this or future upgrades I just wanted a backup.

dougdjl said:I'm new to this

dougdjl said:

I'm new to this and have a couple of questions. I currently own a Hughes SDDVR40. I understand that you have a drive available based on the current Hughes operating code. If Hughes comes out with an upgrade to the software that may change what you have supplied will you have instructions on how to preserve your software mods and merge this with the new Hughes software. I know at this point you cannot foresee what they may do but is this your basic idea?

My other question is much easier. If I wanted to install my old harddrive back in the unit will I run in to any problems? Just in case something goes wrong with this or future upgrades I just wanted a backup.



Please read this:

http://www.dvrplayground.com/forum/thread/10960/

Point (3) addresses your first question, specifically.

As for your second question; "yes" you can reinstall your old hard drive. We recommend you keep it around as an emergency backup.

WithWhich said:I've installed

WithWhich said:

I've installed my new 240 GB drive kit, and all went well. I'm now trying to locate my TiVo on my local area network, but I'm having difficulty. My unit does not appear on my router's DHCP active routing table.

My router's address is 192.168.15.1 (and not 192.168.0.1). Could that be the problem?

- Chris.



Nope. DHCP is DHCP; of course, make sure your DHCP server is configured correctly and if we didn't supply the USB 2.0 adapter, make sure you are using one that is compatible with the ones we offer...

Just order a drive!Just

Just order a drive!

Just ordered a drive for my Series2 DTV Receiver!

Any basic instructions for adding the ability to unscramble and extract video? I've got this hack on my series1 and would like it on the series2 as well.


Thanks.

- Requiem

kelsky said:I have version 3

kelsky said:

I have version 3.1.1e and need that functionality due to the mult-satellite requirement that I have to receive local channels.

Will this new DirecTV Network version support that?

I have a Hughes DVR80.

Thanks



The PTVnet kit is based upon 3.1.1e.

Requiem said:Just ordered a

Requiem said:

Just ordered a drive for my Series2 DTV Receiver!

Any basic instructions for adding the ability to unscramble and extract video? I've got this hack on my series1 and would like it on the series2 as well.


Thanks.

- Requiem



Lots of information on that at www.dealdatabase.com. We are going to limit discussions on that here, as we want to ensure to Tivo/DirecTV that our offering is completely separate from that type of application. Plus its all been said and fully documented at dealdatabase -- advice: be patient and read over there - don't just post questions - its all be asked and answered and folks to take too kindly to seeing the same questions posted over and over again...

kelsky said:That is good news

kelsky said:

That is good news. Is it possible to just obtain the software image instead of the hard disk? I don't want an upgrade in disk capacity just the features applied to 3.1.1e. I have already purchased three images from here in support of PTVupgrade.



Nope. PTVnet is a hard-drive-only product...

tivoupgrade said:PTVshield

tivoupgrade said:


PTVshield and PTVmanage

PTVshield and PTVmanage is an architectural plan to preserve your existing DVR modifications so that they remain intact and withstand future software upgrades from the DVR manufacturer. This is currently not a deliverable product, however with a PTVnet installation, you do have the ability to protect your installation from potentially destructive software upgrades, and are working to provide customers with a mechanism to allow their units to update to the latest versions of software from the manufacturer and continue to allow modifications to remain intact. It is difficult to predict the compatibility of today's modifications with tomorrow's software releases, however putting control in the hands of the consumer yields the greatest number of options.



Your list of features in PTVNet includes the item above. I notice it does say it is not currently a deliverable product. Any progress on this feature? How do you plan on delivering it to existing customers (I have purchased one of your PTVNet hard drives)?

I have heard that there is a new version of software about to be downloaded (6.2??). Not sure if this applies to my unit (Hughes SD-DVR80). Does the existing PTVNet contain anything to help preserve my system? I do not have the phone line connected. I remember reading about something like "GetUpdates=false" that can be set in some file on the Tivo. Have you done this in your PTVNet product?

pwantzel said:Your list of

pwantzel said:

Your list of features in PTVnet includes the item above. I notice it does say it is not currently a deliverable product. Any progress on this feature? How do you plan on delivering it to existing customers (I have purchased one of your PTVnet hard drives)?

I have heard that there is a new version of software about to be downloaded (6.2??). Not sure if this applies to my unit (Hughes SD-DVR80). Does the existing PTVnet contain anything to help preserve my system? I do not have the phone line connected. I remember reading about something like "GetUpdates=false" that can be set in some file on the Tivo. Have you done this in your PTVnet product?



Your PTVnet kit is configured with the autoupdate feature turned off. There is a simple command that can be issued on the unit to turn it back on, should you decide to 'accept' a software update by DirecTV. There is no assurance that your unit will still not update itself as DirecTV can certainly change the way they manage updates, if they want to. Until the next software update is available, and until we understand how it works, and what it affects, we have no way of offering, or predicting how we'll offer, and update mechanism that will allow you to preserve your mods. In addition, there are no assurances that todays mods will work with tomorrow's software, so only time will tell there. Lastly, we have no insight into DirecTV's software plans, as we are not an official partner, nor under non-disclosure (if we were, it wouldn't be appropriate to discuss it, anyway...).

CCBarnett said:Can I use

CCBarnett said:

Can I use TivoWebPlus to access my Tivo anywhere that I can get the Internet or only in a LAN environment, as in my home?



Configure your router to forward port 80 (or whatever port TiVoWebPlus is configured to use) to your TiVo's IP address.

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